In this thought-provoking episode, we delve into the risk-laden path of idolizing prominent figures. Is it a boon or a bane to worship people to the point of putting them on unrealistic pedestals? We unravel the complexities of this issue, bringing to light the potential harm it can inflict on a group dynamic. We also discuss the latent dangers of blind faith and the importance of not letting someone else's success overshadow our self-worth. Here’s a reality check for you - growth and validation should be self-sought, not borrowed. So, let's get real, let's get personal, and most importantly, let's get listening!
In this episode, we discuss the following:
1. Idolization and worship in network marketing.
2. How excessively idolizing can result in the loss of your own power.
3. Gender dynamics in network marketing leadership.
In this thought-provoking episode, we delve into the risk-laden path of idolizing prominent figures. Is it a boon or a bane to worship people to the point of putting them on unrealistic pedestals? We unravel the complexities of this issue, bringing to light the potential harm it can inflict on a group dynamic. We also discuss the latent dangers of blind faith and the importance of not letting someone else's success overshadow our self-worth. Here’s a reality check for you - growth and validation should be self-sought, not borrowed. So, let's get real, let's get personal, and most importantly, let's get listening!
In this episode, we discuss the following:
1. Idolization and worship in network marketing.
2. How excessively idolizing can result in the loss of your own power.
3. Gender dynamics in network marketing leadership.
Welcome to Rock's Talks, the podcast that helps network marketers grow their business on social media. I'm Roxanne Wilson, social media network marketing coach, with nearly a decade of experience in the space, as well as television and radio experience, and a passion to really help you and empower you to be the best network marketer you can be, which means knowing yourself and knowing your brand.
Speaker 2:And I'm Taryn Soa, your social media sidekick. I run all things behind the scenes at Rock's Talks, While being the right hand woman to Roxanne, I also strategize and manage our full social media plan. So I would love to share with you the tips, the happenings, all the things going on in the social media world.
Speaker 1:Each week, we're here to give you the latest and greatest direct selling, social selling, network marketing, whatever you like to call it. The end game is for you to really understand your business, understand yourself and your brand, and to rock it on social media.
Speaker 2:Roxanne.
Speaker 1:Tear bear, tearing up my heart.
Speaker 2:You left us on a cliffhanger last week and I'm sorry. I'm going behind the scenes before we even jump into this episode because, guys, the episode is going to be good and juicy, but you're moving.
Speaker 1:I'm moving, you're moving, you're moving, you're moving, you're moving, we are moving. We are going westward. Ho, is it? No wait, where's west, as we can be.
Speaker 2:You're going east, you're moving into the ocean, wow.
Speaker 1:Oh, the island. Okay, so we are. We've made the decision to move to Arizona. Now I wanted to say California, I love you, Orange County. You've been great, we love it here. But it just makes sense, as we go into the new chapter of our family and our life, to go ahead and move to Arizona. My family lives there PSN, by the way and I was surprised. Scott was the one who was like we need to move to Arizona. I was like what he lived there for? He lived there before. We met for 10 years when I was off galvanizing in Texas, and then we met in Austin and now we're both. He loved it there, we love it here. But we're going to move into a house, Yay, and so I'm decorating and, yeah, that's going to be great. We're excited.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. So what's your timeline Like? What's this looking like?
Speaker 1:Next year We'll be moving next year. So stay tuned, it will be early next year We'll be moving, since this has been a little bit wild right now, I'll be honest. I'm candid because I am with y'all we are. When you're listening to this, I'm probably not in California. I am in Boston because just health reasons for family members. So we're getting on a plane. We decided two days ago we got to get home or get Scott's from Boston. So we are there and then we did a one-way ticket. Don't know when we're coming back.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow. Well, and that's I mean because he's working from home now, so it's not like you have to navigate too many schedules, you can just go and work there.
Speaker 1:Right. So we're going to go then work there, and so we're kind of like this is going to be interesting next few months because we'll be there being there for family, and then we'll kind of see when we Come back. And then we got a pink and I've been trying to sell some things and Do all the things and it's just it's a season of change in a big way.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, I'm passing it off to you because I'm I went through my season of change. We are settled, settled your turn.
Speaker 1:You're so domesticated, my turn. But I am really excited about what we're doing. Like the house I was, we, we used Haven Lee, y'all, and if you need my referral code I can send it to you. But it's an interior design company and what they do is that they can do it Virtually, which is really cool. You send them specs and like they were literally like I have a 3d. Have I shown you the 3d of my room?
Speaker 2:Oh, I haven't seen that, no, but I know you were like getting it yeah you should not put up with me, how dare I?
Speaker 1:I will send it to you. But what's really exciting is they were able to just capture what we wanted, and I don't know how to describe what I wanted, necessarily, but as they're asking me questions, I realized I'm like I want to barefoot dreams home, yeah, and so. And so the room. We start with the bed expensive.
Speaker 2:Is this barefoot dreams?
Speaker 1:room. We're gonna do one room at a time and we're not gonna worry about, like, how long it takes, we just want to get it right. You know so that we love it, because we know that beyond this we're not gonna move Again because it's the Bahamas, right, so it'll be here in the Bahamas. That's the plan stand. So I'll send you this picture and you can look at it and you can love it.
Speaker 2:I can love it. Got it, okay, love it, so only exception allowed.
Speaker 1:You have one job, tear bear. It is to love. No, I think you're gonna love it. Let me where you sending it, should I?
Speaker 2:look right now.
Speaker 1:Let me, I gotta get the picture first, okay, but yes, then you can look at it I.
Speaker 2:Just got a picture picture for my dad. Right now he's wearing his Halloween sweater my dad's birthday today.
Speaker 1:Happy birthday to your dad, jeffrey. A lot of you know Jeffrey, because he usually calls during my my sessions. Yeah, that hasn't been happening. Is it because?
Speaker 2:we have been doing them earlier, I think, although I talked to him before we got on.
Speaker 1:You have 5 30. I called him and he's like walks on. What's wrong? I said, dad, I can't call you in the morning. It's like I have 15 more minutes on the treadmill and he does treadmill twice a day. Yes, he does Twice a day, twice a day. My daddy does to stay Fit, and all the while did you find the picture?
Speaker 2:Oh there, it is Okay. Here, here we go. Stop it, stop it. That's gonna be your room beautiful Y'all. It's like so wait, I thought you didn't like arches, because that mirror is arched and I have been looking for that exact mirror, so please send me that link.
Speaker 1:I will send you that link. It's okay, just to think you, like you always say, like big art, like see how that's a subtle arch.
Speaker 2:It is more subtle. Yeah, and that's what I was looking for for our room. I wanted a more subtle. I didn't want, like a full arch. I'll send it to you, um, but I'm on a freeze where we can't buy anything.
Speaker 1:I'll send you the link, don't you worry. So the room is like very barefoot, dreamzy. It's a mixture of like Should, two things like a gray theme and like a cozy theme.
Speaker 2:I don't even want to describe it, it's just it's like natural woods and just like kind of natural colors. White, beige there's a little all in there.
Speaker 1:There's a fandelier in there.
Speaker 2:That's what that is oh Lear from the fandal, fandal, oh God. And are you gonna have a fireplace in your room?
Speaker 1:Yes, we're getting up. We're gonna put a fireplace in there. Sweet good I, missy Good I.
Speaker 2:All right, you guys, we need to get to the juice of the episode. Oh, I thought that was the juice, more juice. You said you had some drama to bring up.
Speaker 1:There's so much drama going on in the world of network marketing and I'm not gonna name names and do any of that nonsense. But what I will say is this One, how dare I not give you the names and stuff before the set? We should have like offline Terrence so you knew who we're talking. That was okay.
Speaker 2:I'll start.
Speaker 1:I'll start guessing. Yeah, so one thing that's been going on for a bit, which is, you know, my dad was always like rock son, you don't like worship celebrities or worship, like you know, people getting his worship. I mean, let's face it, the Swifties probably worship them some. Taylor, that's a good example, right?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes and he's always like they're just people, one of the things, and you don't realize what is ingrained in you until you are an adult and you're like, oh, that thing is still ingrained in me and my dad's not there saying it, and I know I love to watch reality, even stuff, but I don't worship them. Okay, although I did want to marry JC Chassey, but that was like we were on the same level from then sink, it wasn't like. Anyhow, I digress, here's the thing there's a lot of worshiping in network marketing, mm-hmm like there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, you can see that there's a lot of worshiping as the top people and people start to idolize them and some of them we do tend to get an aghada complex. That can go a little bit wacky. Do I always tell people this Go, you and the person who's at the top aren't. I'm echoing hold, please, not to me, but but I can hear it. Okay, that's better. You and the person at the top are no different. It just means that this was their prom and it's not your prom. I've ever told you my favorite about their, about prom? No, I had this theory that came to me and this is a phrase that I have. So have you ever noticed that there's some people who, literally, literally, when they were in high school, were like prom queen or prom king? They were captain of the cheerleading team and they looked amazing. I yes, that was their problem and that was actually the best they will ever be, and the best like experience they'll ever have was literally that yes, yes, because then when we all move on, yes.
Speaker 1:But they don't. Yes, they go downhill. It's just called what it is. In when I was in my 20s, I had this phrase this is not my prom. Five words, okay. Because when I'd be in a moment, even like an exciting moment, like when I was on the prenyas and I was like, oh, national TV and people were recognizing me anywhere, everywhere, I was like is this your prom, roxanne? No, this is not my prom. There's more greatness for me to go towards.
Speaker 1:If you see someone who's at their tippy top and they're doing all the things, this means that that's their prom. It's not your prom and that is okay. Everyone can be prom queen, but you can't be prom queen of the same thing. It doesn't mean they're better than you, it just means that situation. It doesn't mean that they have figured out the key. It does not mean that the way they did it was the way to do it, or that they're smarter than you or more intelligent than you or better than you. They're not better than you. We forget that.
Speaker 1:I sit here on my hands, which is hard for me to keep my mouth shut. It is. It's not in my human design to keep my mouth shut, but I do when I see and I observe, or when you come to me and you're talking about this person or that person and how wonderful they are. They said to do this. I'm like, oh my gosh, because it is what you choose to do and that is fine with your energy. But what is so interesting is when those people you were worshiping show their true colors, like, for example, get caught up in a Ponzi scheme and steal a bunch of money from a bunch of y'all, or, for example, decide to create their own company and try and steal trade secrets or whatever, and totally underhandedly take up the team.
Speaker 1:Now, I'm not speaking out of anyone specifically. I did not name any names. I gave examples, so don't come for me. But my point is part of the issue is we hand them that power? Yes, we do. You decide they're better than you. You decide they're so important. You decide, did so, and so say this oh, then we have to do this.
Speaker 1:Or, oh, my gosh, just so and so Can I get a picture with you? Can I get your autograph? Can I buy your book? Can I do all these things? And then we're shocked that they're human or that they are just so money, power hungry that they run off and do things. And here's my biggest issue with the shit that they do. When they do this shit and I am hypothetically speaking about more than one person right here in my examples, so if you think you know one, do you know the other? Anyhow, I digress when you do this shit, you make us all look bad, you make us look creamy, you make it look like we don't have any credibility. You literally put egg on our face and dung on our arms. Don't I made?
Speaker 2:that up Gross, but I got it. You're right collectively, because if we worship one, two or three of these top people, they do something bad. We all look bad.
Speaker 1:Totally, totally, and that's where we are right now.
Speaker 2:This reminds me of when I was in physical therapy, like we would. Our clinic would treat the people who won the 1985 Super Bowl the Bears or whatever the Bears and they would come in and the owner of the clinic would be like you need to treat them extra good, like they're the Bears and I'm like I'm going to treat them like every other patient, which is good, like I. He's not getting any special treatment, he's not getting any extra stretches because he's for the bears, like I don't see people like that and it's like when I'm not. I don't super love celebrities either. I get designated by them because they're. They look like they live a different life. But you're right, it just leads to demise when we idolize people like that.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and, and it's different to like, observe. I'm like, what is it like to be like that? And, oh my gosh, that person, oh my, or I'm on so and so's team. I'm direct as I'm five down from so and so who fricking cares? Who cares? You know it happens time after time. Thank you, cindy Lopper. When people join that big person's, like the top person's team, they get no attention. That person has no time for you. So what did you just go and do? You decided not to join the person who, yeah, maybe he's not as high in the company but literally is invested in you. And you join this person's. You could say I'm with so and so and maybe I could breathe the same air. Guess what? The air they're breathing is the same air you are breathing and it has toxins in it. I love how we both went to toxins, y'all it is. So I just I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 2:Why we do that at times is because we don't feel worthy ourselves, so it's easier to then idolize someone else and like use that person as an example, when in reality just work on yourself and improving your self worth.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't that be nice. And I think you're right. I know it. Why do we think that I don't know, I don't have the answer. I don't have the answer. I know it's going to happen time after time and these people are going to disappoint us because they're human. Guess what? These people are human and humans. We make decisions and choices and they're not always the right ones. Often they're not. I just y'all, I just I'm at a loss. There it is. I'm like is that really happened? And it did.
Speaker 2:I am dying to know I.
Speaker 1:I'd be dying to know too, if I were you.
Speaker 2:I like have an inkling where I'm like my wonder, but maybe not, I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to tell you, don't worry, I will tell you after this. So I guess the point is you're not any better, not any better or any worse than anyone else, and that's yeah. That goes for us too. We are not better or worse than anyone else. I'm not better, taryn's not better. We aren't and we're not worse. So we have to remember that. And then, truly, y'all you're giving away your power by idolizing these people, and when people get what is like something about ultimate power, ultimate corruption, what is that thing about power and corruption? And I don't know, absolute power. Yes, someone's yelling, y'all are yelling going. It's thanks, roxie, and you've released a podcast like that's not right.
Speaker 2:They were like yes, it is no, no, and they're like we'll get some messages about it Corruption and, yes, something like that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yes, stop giving them that If you don't care about, if you don't treat them and put them up on this pedestal, then when they do this shit it does not rock the industry as much, or they may not do this because they're not given the power to be able to do it Right, and I don't mind giving your power away to them.
Speaker 1:Exactly, I don't mind telling you, I saw both of these coming. I'm not kidding, I saw both of these coming, both of them both. Of course you did, I know, I know I did. I'm like okay, that's gonna, that's not gonna end well, that's not going to end well.
Speaker 2:You're like see right through that one, seriously, that's what I've got.
Speaker 1:I know it's like we gave you the two without the T but you know I'm not getting there. They're all. They're so happy I'm not getting sued by using their names. So y'all can look it up. Oh, by the way, you could look it up. It is all over the internet, Ooh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right With that. Don't do that, don't be that person.
Speaker 1:This is not your problem. But your problem is coming y'all and your problem doesn't have to be in this company. Just know that it can be in a million different places.
Speaker 2:All right, We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 1:Bye everybody, Y'all we're back and you're probably wondering didn't y'all just say goodbye? I think we said goodbye. If you felt at the end of the podcast seemed a little weird, it was because we were sitting on things and not saying what we really wanted to say, and so we are being transparent. If you like it, great, if you don't, great, you can tell us. One of the biggest pet peeves about this is that, by design, network marketing is and direct selling is a very female oriented business. Most of the consultants, distributors, whatever you want to call yourself, you're female, and yet when a male is guiding you as a coach or as a trainer or as a top leader I'm putting it in quotes everyone gravitates and worships them. I saw the same thing in jazz. Jazz, by the way. It was so very annoying. What is that about? Like, why? Why are we worshiping and like oh, the man said to do this or this man isn't it? We have to like. What is that about y'all Like? I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly, I was thinking the same thing, where, when you look at men and women, right, we're different in a lot of ways, and I'm going to hone in on the way as in women, we tend to carry more of a mental load, we tend to have more things on our plate and I don't want to say burdens, but things that hold us back from maybe doing things the way a man would, because he has more freedom, flexibility. So then, why are we taking advice from a man whose schedule looks way different than what a woman does and he's not taking into consideration, like how you're taking care of your children, or maybe you also have to watch your friends kids, and there's just so many different nuances where it's like why are you taking advice from someone whose life is way different from you and why are you worshiping them? Because it's automatically setting you up to fail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's an interesting take on it. It just annoys me in general, but you've broken it down. Why are we saying, okay, this person said to do this, when they don't live your life or anything really near it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I guess that could even go to. You could even compare that to a woman. Thank you, no, ok, who has a different lifestyle, like, why are we worshiping someone who has something completely different situationally? It's just interesting to me.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know, what I think is also interesting is it's not only that we, it's like, for some reason, the males. When the males voice comes, it's we give it more weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like God complex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I said, I saw it in jazz in the sense of like if there was a male jazzer size instructor, everyone would flock to his class, even if he was horrible. Like he. Literally, if you had just blind taste test, you would have been like, oh no, these female instructors are way better, but they flock, and if that male instructor made a mistake they were more forgiving at it than if a female instructor made a mistake. And so, like, take that into network marketing. If the male network marketer says to do, or the leader says to do this, you're like, oh yes, he said to do this. And he says it's like this. And you're right, taryn, because most of the time those male network marketers who are like leading you and telling you how to work your business have a wife at home who is running all the other things so that they can do all this.
Speaker 2:Right, they can be in the DMs all day in cold pitching and reaching out to people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:And I'm not saying I'm not trying to be like I'm a feminist in bar, it's just interesting to me, it's interesting.
Speaker 1:And it's why are you worshiping? Don't get wrong, there's female worshiping, definitely in network marketing as well too. I'm not saying that there's not that. There's definitely that. But when the male is worshiped at the level you're flocking, it just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:And then it comes out and he's involved in all these things, right.
Speaker 1:Multiple. He's Right. And, what's also interesting, if you blind taste tested the advice that they were hypothetically giving, oftentimes it's totally outdated because they haven't done it in forever and you're like, oh, I've got to do that. They say to do this thing, or they're literally just talking about how they grow their business, but they've got a bunch of assistants and it's not the same. Yeah. That's very interesting, but okay, we digress. That's the after party. You can get mad at us if you want, but just like food for thought.
Speaker 2:Food for thought. Take it or leave it. Take it into consideration, Maybe, if maybe you are someone who is worshiping someone up higher and it's like this is the nudge to be like you're just as good, you are just good. And leave it at that. Just leave it. Take that if anything. So, for real, goodbye, Goodbye. Thanks for listening to another episode of Rocks Talks. We would love for you to help us get this message out to other network marketers. If you could follow rate review wherever you are listening to this episode, we would greatly appreciate it. And hey, if this episode speaks to you directly, take a screenshot of you listening on your device and post it on Instagram stories. Be sure to tag us over at Rocks Talks.
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